ASP verses ASP.NET

I've been working with ASP (active server pages) for many
years. I've

been trying to make the transition to ASP.NET (for what
reason, I'm not

really sure... just curiosity) I think I've finally given up
on ASP.NET,

and I'm sticking with ASP. I can't come up with any
compelling reason that

I would want to use ASP.NET. Any benefits are more than
offset by the

complexity.



I'm doing a simple welcome screen... ''Welcome Bob'', once I
log in. The

''Bob'' is coming from a single record in the ''Users'' table
that's filtered on

a session variable called ''svUserID''. With ASP, its easy and
only takes

minutes to accomplish. With ASP.NET, I've been struggling
with it for a

week.



I've concluded that if I ever have to do something other than
ASP, I will

go with Linux / PHP before going to ASP.NET.



Am I missing something?



Thanks,

Bob





ASP verses ASP.NET
%26gt; I've been working with ASP (active server pages) for
many years. I've

%26gt; been trying to make the transition to ASP.NET (for what
reason, I'm not

%26gt; really sure... just curiosity) I think I've finally
given up on

%26gt; ASP.NET, and I'm sticking with ASP. I can't come up with
any compelling

%26gt; reason that I would want to use ASP.NET.



The main one is that MS no longer officially supports ASP.



%26gt; Any benefits are more than offset by the complexity.



I'd say that's true for a lot of small to medium websites.



ASP.net is a true OOP language and is really designed for
enterprise scale

software.



%26gt; I've concluded that if I ever have to do something other
than ASP, I will

%26gt; go with Linux / PHP before going to ASP.NET.

%26gt;

%26gt; Am I missing something?



You have to want to embrace the OOP model. If not, I
agree...PHP is the way

to go.



Also, you won't get very far with ASP.net using DW. Visual
Studio is the

tool of choice for ASP.net work.



-Darrel





ASP verses ASP.NET
Hi Darrel,



I've spent much time with VS the last couple of weeks,
installing SQL Server

5 and everything it required on my local machine as well as
my server to do

their photo album example. I could get it do a few cute
database tricks

like populating a drop-down list, but again, it could not do
a simple

''Welcome Bob'' example. To me, it is definitely not worth the
intrusiveness

and complexity for anything that I do. I finally got all of
that crap

uninstalled, but I had to purchase ''Advanced Registry
Optimizer'' to fix the

damage that it caused to my registry.



I was about to say that .NET would be appropriate for a large
enterprise

application like www.Salesforce.com but I just logged into it
and they use a

.JSP extension, which I think is Linux? Salesforce.com is one
of the best

enterprise-wide database applications that I've ever worked
with.



The poster-child of the worst database enterprise application
ever is SAP.

It runs on everything Microsoft. If SAP is the pentacle of
this OOP

approach to things, then I don't want to ever go down that
path. However,

SAP consultants get a lot of money. I head a SAP consultant
say that SAP

stands for ''Shut up And Pay''.



Anyway... I did buy a DLL component that only works with
.NET, which was

the driving force behind my curiosity. I found an elegant way
to pass

session variables between the ASP and the NET world that
works great. I

think I will stick with this approach.



Bob





''darrel'' %26lt;notreal@nowhere.com%26gt; wrote in message

news:f1vhbr$mb1$1@forums.macromedia.com...

%26gt;%26gt; I've been working with ASP (active server pages) for
many years. I've

%26gt;%26gt; been trying to make the transition to ASP.NET (for
what reason, I'm not

%26gt;%26gt; really sure... just curiosity) I think I've finally
given up on

%26gt;%26gt; ASP.NET, and I'm sticking with ASP. I can't come up
with any compelling

%26gt;%26gt; reason that I would want to use ASP.NET.

%26gt;

%26gt; The main one is that MS no longer officially supports
ASP.

%26gt;

%26gt;%26gt; Any benefits are more than offset by the complexity.

%26gt;

%26gt; I'd say that's true for a lot of small to medium
websites.

%26gt;

%26gt; ASP.net is a true OOP language and is really designed
for enterprise scale

%26gt; software.

%26gt;

%26gt;%26gt; I've concluded that if I ever have to do something
other than ASP, I

%26gt;%26gt; will go with Linux / PHP before going to ASP.NET.

%26gt;%26gt;

%26gt;%26gt; Am I missing something?

%26gt;

%26gt; You have to want to embrace the OOP model. If not, I
agree...PHP is the

%26gt; way to go.

%26gt;

%26gt; Also, you won't get very far with ASP.net using DW.
Visual Studio is the

%26gt; tool of choice for ASP.net work.

%26gt;

%26gt; -Darrel

%26gt;






%26gt; I've spent much time with VS the last couple of weeks,
installing SQL

%26gt; Server 5 and everything it required on my local machine
as well as my

%26gt; server to do their photo album example. I could get it
do a few cute

%26gt; database tricks like populating a drop-down list, but
again, it could not

%26gt; do a simple ''Welcome Bob'' example. To me, it is
definitely not worth the

%26gt; intrusiveness and complexity for anything that I do.



The only complex part is the OOP mentality. Otherwise, it's a
very robust

language with a lot of great built in classes and libraries.



%26gt; I was about to say that .NET would be appropriate for a
large enterprise

%26gt; application like www.Salesforce.com but I just logged
into it and they use

%26gt; a .JSP extension, which I think is Linux?



JSP is Java (J2EE). JSP and ASP.net are 'competitors' in the
regard that

they both tend to be used for business enterprise level
application

development.



The explanation I like:



J2EE = one language, run on any server

.net = multiple languages, run on Windows Server



%26gt; Salesforce.com is one of the best enterprise-wide
database applications

%26gt; that I've ever worked with.



Right, but that's less of a judgement of the particular
framework codebase

than it is a judgement of the capabilities of the design and
development

team.



In otherwords, you can't really judge the quality (or lack
thereof) of a

particular programming language based on a couple of sample
applications.



-Darrel






''darrel'' %26lt;notreal@nowhere.com%26gt; wrote in message

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%26gt; The explanation I like:

%26gt;

%26gt; J2EE = one language, run on any server

%26gt; .net = multiple languages, run on Windows Server

%26gt;



Then there's the ''other'' J2EE - Java 2 Evil Edition.

One language.

Runs on the remnants of your ravaged sanity.




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